The Geological Strata Mystery: Where did all the DIRT come from?

Global 2-8 KM deep rock strata! An unexplained enigma!

When I looked at this picture above, at the multiple rock strata of the 2 km deep gouge into the Colorado plateau of the Grand Canyon, something suddenly struck me. I began to wonder how all these thick layers of rock were ever laid? At first I only wondered, “How did the geological strata come into existence?” But when it suddenly dawned on me that these strata are not just down in the Grand Canyon, but that there are kilometers-deep strata existent below our feet worldwide under every continent, I had an epiphany! Where on earth did all that kilometers deep dirt come from? Where did it originate? Did it fall from space? From other planets? Was it dug from the holes the oceans are in? Or what?! It must have come from somewhere! But from where?”

GRANDVIEWREVBWhen ‘Startpage-ing’ this enigma, I found very few scientists posing this question, even creationists strangely enough, but also few evolutionists tried to tackle this intriguing question, and no one provided any real plausible answer to this enormous mystery. Either, geologists hardly ever think much about this “minor” detail, or they studiously try to ignore this enormous ‘elephant in the room‘!

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The postulate evolution set as playing-field

I discovered though that the basic postulate [foregone conclusion or basic ground-rule laid down in advance] of evolution, is its concept of ‘uniformitarianism’. This theory states that the way everything is occurring today is the way it has always occurred on our planet. This theory has strong bearing on the rock strata, as one website stated:

Since no more than an inch of sediment is presently being laid down each year in most non-alluvial areas, therefore no more than this amount could have been deposited yearly in those places in the past.“  And… “Since there are thick sections of rock containing fossils, therefore those rocks and their contents must have required millions of years to be laid down.”

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That was the uniformitarians’ only ‘Genesis’ I could find.  The opposing–and of course anathema–viewpoint and postulate is labeled “catastrophism!” It teaches that there has been a great catastrophe in the past—a global flood—which, within one year, laid down all FloodFleeingDinosworldwide sedimentary rock strata, while simultaneously entombing flora and fauna contained within them, which under immediate pressure became instant fossils.

Evolution of course–basically being an anti-religious belief–was bound to reject catastrophism off hand.

Nevertheless, because uniformitarianism by definition could not explain the instant simultaneous death of the dinosaurs, they had to come up with a solution for the massive extinction, without it becoming too catastrophic, as that would open the door for a worldwide flood as well! And that wouldn’t do, of course. [photo: Dino footprint tracks fleeing the flood?]

One ‘small’ exception to their own rule

The observed mass extinction of dinosaurs (actually of all animals and humans!) has no explanation through uniformitarianism. (what a word!) And so they had to make a “small” dispensation of grace, just a tiny exception to their postulated theory, that yes, actually, indeed, there was just ONE  small, little catastrophe that selectively wiped out the dinosaurs alone!

Otherwise, the dinosaurs were wiped out by this other catastrophe, the one they don’t like,for some reason, that global Deluge documented in about 500universal flood, man & family survived on a boat with animals” accounts from almost every nation and ethnic group around the world, plus in the Quran, on four Sumerian & Babylonian tablets, and in the Bible, which they of course reduce to myths!
“Why? Because they are not scientific! Hello-oo?”

Theirlittle” catastrophe — which has no myths or recorded human records to back it up — doesn’t seem to hurt their postulated uniformitarianism too much! It was “just one little asteroid that hit earth, just big enough to selectively wipe out all dinosaurs worldwide, (before Man had even evoluted!) merely leaving a little record of a ring of iridium around the Caribbean.”

Apart from that “one little asteroid” they proffer no other major catastrophes, like “millions of exploding volcanoes” or something, to account for the depositing of all those kilometers-deep trillions of tons of globally deposited dirt! Un-believeable!

Yes, there were some alluvial river deposits, plus “an inch of non-alluvial deposits each year“, but one yearly inch can get pretty high when you postulate billions of years as well! Voila!

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So where DID all these layers come from?

All this still doesn’t explain, and I still like to know, “where did all these kilometers high huge global layers of dirt and rock come from?”

If it came from space, then there must have been at least waves of asteroids, many more than that Caribbean one. But that wouldn’t jive with uniformitarianism, so erase that quickly!

Perhaps it wasn’t even an inch deposit per year–as some figured–maybe it was only 10 MM per year! But as the Rolling Stones used to sing “Ti-i-i-ime… is on our side! Yes it is!” Because… the Earth is thought by them to have come into existence approximately 4,6 billion or 4,600 million years ago, as those very layers whisper to them, because they have all the evolved fossils in them, without the missing links!

But that just confirms how long it has actually been, because the missing links were all in the earliest strata which don’t exist anymore, just as “we don’t come from monkeys, as both monkeys and we come from primates long ago” which are also missing. I think that’s how the narrative runs. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Like Lucy! Lucy is really an exception, but then they only found some of her bones scattered over a square kilometer or so. An exception because she is kind of close to the primates, which are the missing links! So, we shouldn’t complain that we found only a few bones of Lucy, as she is actually also “missing” and “postulated” as such,

Photo Daniel Meyer

and we should actually be really happy that we at least have something of her at all.

And so it came to pass that I understood that evolutionary geologists believe that the kilometers deep geological strata were gradually deposited over billions of years, at a rate of an inch or some millimeters per year. And time being on their side, uniformitarianists explain:

“Since no more than an inch or so of sediment is presently being laid down each year, in most non-alluvial areas, therefore no more than this amount could have been deposited yearly in those places in the past.”

“No more than an inch per year??”

By the way, from which peer-reviewed research by who, did these geologists derive this “yearly inch” et al?

But lets just assume that that “yearly global inch” is true, the question still remains, “Where did/does that world-wide inch of dirt come from? I wonder, IF that’s really the case, how does that materialise? One inch per year laid down without floods.. globally?

Do you realise how much 1 inch per year amounts to globally? Earth’s 149 million km2 land-surface times one inch makes for 3 784 600 000 000 m3 which equals 3,784,600,000 cubic kilometers! Three trillion, 784 million, 600 hundred thousand cubic kilometers every year! That is a lot of dirt! That sure would make headline news!

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digdirtI personally didn’t see our local park develop an inch of dirt elevation last year, let alone all of Taipei, nor one foot in 12 years,  except some parts where workmen deposited some dirt, but it had no fossils in it and they dug that dirt from some other hole.

I mean, we’re talking trillions of tons of dirt here! Even if it did take a looooong time, where did all these pebbles, rocks, boulders, mixed inside those dust and dirt strata originate from, if deposited inch by yearly inch?

CoalSeamAnother related question is: If it came from an inch per year, how come the strata consist of all different kinds of rock? Did it rain granite for 120 years, then 95 inches or years of sandstone, and then did it rain 80 inches of vegetation for 80 years to create a coal layer?

Besides, it would have to be 10 x 80=800 inches, or 800 years!, as the original plant matter gets pressed down to a tenth of its original size into coal! So how on earth did that 20 meter vegetation mat get to be fossilised before it decomposed into compost slime, those first 799 years without the needed pressure of the missing rock layer on top? How does that make any sense?

What caused this weird stratification of all these different types of dirt? Climate change? Wow! That would have asked for some radical climate-change indeed! Those coal-seams were definitely carbon-driven, but of course “no footprints!” Not too sure if it was “anthropogenic.” Ha!

Plus–and this is a much tougher question–where did all the fossils inside those yearly inch-by-inch layers come from? How could plants, fish, worms, and trilobites, ever have been preserved under the mere pressure of just one yearly inch of dirt, if it took so long? They would have decayed into slime and dust long before there was enough inches of dirt and pressure to actually fossilise them!

Those are all quite devastating questions, if you ask me! But sad-to-say most people don’t ask questions! They just swallow all the propaganda, hook line and sinker. Even most “intellectuals!”

The Grand Canyon reveals layer upon layer of rock to a depth of 6,000 feet. (2 KM) So that would make 6000 x 12 inches = 72,000 inches divided by 1 or 2, accounts for at least 72.000 to 36.000 years, to form the height of the Grand Canyon. But the question still remains; Where did that one worldwide inch depositing dirt come from in that relatively short time, plus all the fossils contained inside, especially if this was all considered non-alluvial!?  Those 36-72.000 years must have been quite catastrophic, yet that is not allowed. And what happened during the other millions/billions of years. Did it stop raining dirt?

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If the dirt was “deposited“, as they postulate, it must have come from above, from some higher position! So do they figure that it must have rained from erupting volcanoes or space dust or something?

But they also state, that space dust adds very little to the level of the earth’s present layer, so I guess they mainly count on volcanoes spewing dirt and spreading it equally high worldwide! Because when you look at the Grand Canyon layers…or layers anywhere, they all look pretty equal to me, pretty evenly thick. So how did all those billions of tons of dirt get deposited so equally and did it actually come from volcanoes in their minds!?

Just in these last 2000 years Naples’ volcano Vesuvius produced perhaps only 10-20 meters dirt directly around Vesuvius, like Pompeii. But the rest of the Napoli area hardly rose any at all. Same story in 1890 when Krakatoa island blew sky high in Indonesia!

Only places like Hawaii, Iceland and other highly active volcanic areas, do provide enough dirt for surrounding areas to rise substantially, but also not wider than the volcanic islands themselves. And these deposits are always mostly ash & pumice from lava-streams, and these lava flows are burning hot, so of course they were without any animals or fossils!

And so that still leaves that nagging yet very important question: “Where did the worldwide giga tons of fossil-containing dirt come from, if not from volcanic eruptions?” And in all such different constitutions as well: limestone, sandstone, granite, etc. How did it ever rain granite?

As fossils are found in almost all strata, obviously these must have been deposited by some other kind of depositing medium than volcanic eruptions, because the kind of volcanic eruptions that could perhaps produce equal level global deposits of dirt, must have been super-catastrophic global events, the kind that would have blocked out the sun and prevented life from continuing on Earth, much more devastating than their postulated comet-strike that “wiped out most of the dinosaurs”, which deposited “only a thin layer of iridium” and some other stuff in the Caribbean.
So back to square one! Where DID the fossil-laden dirt come from?!

The fossil record purportedly contains a record of all the billions of years of life on earth. If it takes “100 million years” for an invertebrate to evolve through transitional forms into a fish, the fossil strata should show vast numbers of the in-between forms. But they never do! Scientists discuss these facts among themselves; they have a responsibility to tell them to the public, and where the dirt came from.

I’ll put it to you. IF… there had been no Bible and no resulting religion of Love cramping humanity’s selfish style, scientists would have had no problem whatsoever with a universal catastrophic flood theory! I’ll tell you, they would have come up with it themselves, because the facts on the ground fit that scenario as-a-glove, far better than the “inch-of-space-dust over millions of years” fallacy!

The ‘Embarrassing’ Founder of Geology

Nicholas-StenoThe father of geology was in fact a Bible- and Flood-believing Christian; Nicolaus Steno (1631–1686). Evolutionist geologists only care to mention that he is the Father of Geology, but don’t harp on what he believed of course! Steno’s geologic history of Tuscany—considered the first geologic history ever developed, described the process of strata forming in Tuscany Italy as follows:

“And the form of these strata bears witness to the presence of a fluid, while the substance bears witness to the absence of heterogeneous bodies. But the similarity of matter and form in the strata of mountains which are different and distant from each other, proves that the fluid was universal.

“During Creation Week the strata were deposited horizontally. Huge cavities were eaten out as the water receded, which collapsed the strata and formed valleys and mountains. Noah’s Flood deposited new strata which were also undermined as the water receded, to collapse and form the present landscape.”

I think the Father of (true) Geology had the right idea where the giga-tons of dirt came from, and where the huge holes and disruptions in these same geological strata, like the 2 KM deep gouge of the Grand Canyon HOLE in the flat earth of Nevada and Colorado, and like all the break-offs in all the worldwide plateaus that suddenly stop high in mid air, originated.

I postulate based on the evidence that there was a catastrophic global flood once upon a recent time, and that that’s where all the giga-tons of dirt deposits worldwide came from. From a devastating global deluge! If you dare to think for yourself, what do you think?

“Leftovers from a crash with the moon that gouged out the Pacific ocean!” Oh really? Wow! (Nobel prize material like Obama!) :)

Do you now begin to understand why mainstream geologists evade this subject, this nagging question? Because answering it would lead to such a massive construct, fabrication, or fake theory, that the make-believe of it would stick out as a sore stinking thumb! It would cause many people to lose even more faith in the long crumbling Darwinian paradigm.

And that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the powers-that-be will not stand for! They will not allow their prized historical mass-media victory over, and proud conquest of billions of human minds to fail! That’s why they keep on drilling this meme hammering it in with every damn “nature & science” documentary, and why they stuff it down our throats on the front pages of their hundreds of thousands of global glossy multi-lingual magazines!

A Strange Anomaly

This here artifact in East Turkey happens to be the exact same length as Noah’s ark description in the Book of Genesis, and it is situated in the mountains of Ararat, the exact same place where it landed according to Moses, the Quran, Josephus, and other Middle Eastern historians like Berosus.

If these are not the remains of Noah’s boat, there must have been some other guy who built another same-size old boat that got petrified in the mountains of Ararat! We wish you great success in doing your own research in your life-quest for truth, while the internet is still free and fair. But don’t hold your breath too long. They are working on stifling all dissent, and seeing most people are born media-slaves, it won’t be long! Farewell! — Lu.

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UPDATE: Power Point Paradise says:   I FOUND SOME MORE ANSWERS (?), FROM SOME BLOG. HEAR YE!:

  1. DAR76
    Mar 26, 2010 @ 04:27:06

    Wind blows dirt around and erosion builds layers of dirt on top of the fossil.

  2. Daniel B
    Mar 26, 2010 @ 04:37:12

    volcano

  3. ashhel55
    Mar 26, 2010 @ 05:16:58

    the dirt is blown around from all over the world. There is dirt in the air we breathe, but not enough to hurt us. This dirt eventually (even though it takes millions of years) covers up the fossils. Another way that fossils get, well, fossilized is that the fossils are blown into the ocean and sink to the ocean floor, this is why they are not always together. They get covered with sediment and the sediment hardens. Then dirt displaced by the current of the ocean covers the hardened sediment. And when a new fossil comes, it will be on top of the older one.

  4. andyg77
    Mar 26, 2010 @ 06:06:11

    I found this 4 u

    http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/101_earth_facts_030722-1.html

    How much space dust falls to Earth each year?

    Estimates vary, but the USGS says at least 1,000 million grams, or roughly 1,000 tons of material enters the atmosphere every year and makes its way to Earths surface. One group of scientists claims microbes rain down from space, too, and that extraterrestrial organisms are responsible for flu epidemics. There’s been no proof of this, and I’m not holding my breath.

    7. How far does regular dust blow in the wind?

    A 1999 study showed that African dust finds its way to Florida and can help push parts of the state over the prescribed air quality limit for particulate matter set by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. The dust is kicked up by high winds in North Africa and carried as high as 20,000 feet (6,100 meters), where it’s caught up in the trade winds and carried across the sea. Dust from China makes its way to North America, too.

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Power Point Paradise says:

I know that dirt blows around, and gathers more and better in valleys than on hilltops. Here in Taiwan we get dust storm dust films from the Gobi desert, but it doesn’t  fossilise anything. Also in archeology artifacts are discovered in graves, and under ruins. Deeper layers under present layers, as foundations of houses sink in the ground, and the ruins get built over and upon. Also things get buried under rotten plants, humus, composting organic material, BUT it doesn’t lead to fossilisation. Under such dirt it will rot with the compost or under the sand of the Sahara desert it will dry up and fall apart into its components.

And so….? It doesn’t explain where all the fat thick strata with fossils in it, as in the top picture, came from. Did the fossils blow in with the wind as well? Or did the fossils also fall down with the space dust from space? How much space-dust and fossils fell down last year in YOUR neighbourhood or frontyard?

Here is a link to an official university’s physics undergraduate’s answer to the question. He also sees dirt coming from space, rivers, the wind, yet it doesn’t explain how the uniform thick fat strata worldwide of 2 to 10 KM deep were formed fast enough to cause fossilisation instead of decay! Can you imagine a dead fish being covered with some river (alluvial) deposits and then turn into a fossil under it, instead of a decomposing fish? Or a mammoth covered with a meter (lets be liberal) of volcano deposit and turn into a fossil? Or even a beaver? It doesn’t hold water!

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FOR YOUR ELUCIDATION HERE ARE SOME MORE THEORIES OF THE EVOLUTIONARY GEOLOGISTS, IF YOU CARE FOR GUESS WORK?
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Fossils are extremely important to evolutionary heory, for they provide our only record of plants and animals in ancient times. The fossil record is of the highest importance as a proof for evolution. In these fossils, scientists should be able to find all the evidence needed to prove that one species has evolved out of another.
“study of living animals and plants may give very convincing circumstantial evidence, fossils
provide the only historical documentary evidence that life has evolved from simpler to more complex forms.”—*Carl O. Dunbar, Historical Geology (1949), p. 52.
“Fortunately there is a science which is able to observe the progress of evolution through the history of our earth. Geology traces the rocky strata of our earth, deposited one upon another in the past geological epochs through hundreds of millions of years, and finds out their order and timing and reveals organisms which lived in all these periods. Paleontology, which studies the fossil remains, is thus enabled to present organic evolution as a visible fact.”—*Richard B. Goldschmidt, “An Introduction to a Popularized Symposium on Evolution,” in Scientific Monthly, Vol. 77, October 1953, p. 184.

PALEONTOLOGISTS KNOW THE FACTS
—(*#3/25 The Experts Speak*) The study of fossils and mutations ranks as the two key evidences of evolution: The fossil evidence proves or disproves whether evolution has occurred in the past; mutational facts prove or disprove whether it can occur at all.
This is probably why, of all scientists, paleontologists and geneticists are the most likely to publicly repudiate evolutionary theory in disgust (*A.H. Clark, *Richard Goldschmidt, *Steven Gould, *Steven Stanley, *Colin Patterson, etc.). They have spent their lives fruitlessly working, hands on, with one of the two main factors in the very center of evolution: the evidence (fossils) or the mechanism by which it occurs (mutations) and that part of the body within which it must occur (DNA).
GEOLOGICAL TIME The earth is thought to have come into existence approximately 4,600 million years ago, but for nearly half this time, the Archean era, it was uninhabited. The Grand Canyon is 277 miles long, ranges from 4,000 to 6,000 feet deep, and is 18 miles across
WHAT IS COAL? HOW DID IT COME INTO EXISTENCE? Enormous areas of the earth’s surface were covered with dense forests, which grew in lagoons and marshy regions. The whole land must have been very flat in those days, and little above the level of the sea, something similar to the everglades of Florida or to the great deltas of tropical rivers, in which locations wide expanses are occupied by sluggish rivers and lagoons of fresh water, where the mangrove grows along the shore and the bottom is covered with water-logged, decaying vegetation.
The climate of those times was warm, equable and moist and the atmosphere was probably rich in carbon dioxide. The growth of vegetation must have been rapid, and dark evergreen plants and ferns lent a somber aspect to the scenery. As yet there were no flowers, no birds, and none of the higher four-legged animals. How long ago this was, nobody knows with exactness. Some believe it was hundreds of thousands of years ago, others say millions.
Prolonged but very slow sinking was in progress, and when for years the vegetation had densely clothed the soil, it was carried down below the water and covered over with mud and sand. Then, by some upheaval or gradual silting up of the sea bottom, a land surface was once more formed; luxuriant vegetation again sprang up, in course of time decayed, sank and became overlaid with silt and sand as before.
The vegetable layers thus deposited, subject to the heat of the earth and of decomposition, and to the pressure of accumulating masses of stratified matter, were gradually mineralized into the brown or black rock which we now call coal.
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Oil and Genesis
Currently, the acceleration due to gravity near the earth’s surface is 9.81 meters per second per second. If the earth’s surface were 30,000 feet closer to the center of the earth, the acceleration due to gravity would be reduced by almost 1% to 9.71 or 9.72 meters per second per second. This is important when you consider that the orbit of the moon would have to be significantly different. By significantly, I mean that if it weren’t different, it wouldn’t stay in orbit. That means that if the earth was that much smaller, then the moon would not have been in orbit. If it were, the orbit of the earth about the sun would have been different. If the orbit of the earth about the sun would have been different even by a slight amount, then the earth could not be millions of years old.
Incidentally, the effect of all these factors is part of the reason I believe the earth to be much younger than commonly believed. How do we explain the time it takes light to reach us from distant galaxies? I suggest that much of the universe may be older than the earth because of extreme time dilation early in the genesis of the universe. Special relativity reveals that while time in this universe may be linear, it’s rate of progression is relative to the
I’ve studied physics to a much greater extent than I’ve studied geology. I don’t know all the theories geologists have as to where the layers of geological strata come from.
Are they part of some natural churning of the earth’s crust? If so, then depth doesn’t matter as far as age and I suspect that strata would be radically different in different locations around the world. If this is the case, then I suspect this churning must be something more than the volcanic activity we have observed throughout human history. In this case, could such churning happen again to create very deep oil deposits?
If the strata, on the other hand, were deposited gradually over a long period of time from space dust, then we would expect to see occasionally unique layers that are relatively consistent throughout the world except from volcanic activity, tectonic warping, floods, astrological collisions and biological excavation and transformation. If this were to happen, then the changing mass of the earth would affect not only earth, but would increase the overall mass of the entire solar system which would have thrown us severely out of orbital regularity. Another obstacle to this is that if the strata were deposited by space dust, then the earth was likely nearly completely covered with water at one point unless the ocean floor has a similar thickness of space dust as on land. Even then, the fact that the earth would have had less surface area, there would be less holding area for water – unless water has been pouring from outer space as well.
If the strata is relatively uniform in the space dust model, but you realize the problems with the model, then the only solution is that the strata today was caused by a global churning-type event, whatever that may have been.
Here’s my point – we have less a clue of what our planet is than we realize.
The oil being found 30,000 feet underground did not get deposited when the earth had a diameter 60,000 feet less than it has today. Either the oil is not a biological byproduct, or something else is happening. Not knowing much about geology, I don’t know if this is possible, but it is something to ask. Before the widespread burning of oil, there were more forest fires and men burned more wood. Volcanic activity has spewed more carbon into the atmosphere than we have pumped from the ground. The oceans contain the biological resources for filtering the carbon from the air and at times are quite efficient at it. If carbon continues to go into the oceans, where does that carbon go? Sure, we fish some of the carbon out as seafood, but not enough to account for the carbon absorbed. Perhaps this carbon finds its way into the vast crevasses in the ocean floor and turns into oil deposits. It’s just a theory and I may be way off base. The oil has to be coming from somewhere.
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At 30,000 feet down, where were the dinosaurs?
Many “Peak-Production” theorists appear today to be ready to abandon the “Fossil-Fuel” theory of oil’s origin, as long as they are yet able to argue that we are going to run out of hydrocarbon fuels in just a few years from now. Still, the common wisdom remains that natural gas, like oil, is a “fossil fuel.” For those who have any doubt that the “Fossil-Fuel” theory is the politically correct version of the origin of natural gas, the Energy Information Agency’s “Energy for Kids” page explains how millions of years ago the remains of plants and animals decayed into organic material that became trapped in rocks until pressure and heat changed some of this organic material into coal, oil and natural gas.
Even those who might stretch to argue that even if no dinosaurs ever died in sedimentary rock that today lies 30,000 feet [10 KM] below the surface, might still argue that those levels contain some type of biological debris that has transformed into natural gas. That argument, a stretch at 30,000 feet down, is almost impossible to make for basement structure bedrock. Japan’s Nagaoka and Niigata fields produce natural gas from bedrock that is volcanic in nature. What dinosaur debris could possibly be trapped in volcanic rock found at deep-earth levels?
Deep-earth natural gas strongly supports the theory that the origin of oil is abiotic, not organic in nature. Moreover, natural gas is being found abundantly at deep-earth levels around the world – so much so that the deep-earth discoveries of natural gas are increasing worldwide natural gas reserve estimates to the point where “Peak-Production” theories are being challenged as well. But that will have to be the subject of another column. Jerome R. Corsi

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19 comments for “The Geological Strata Mystery: Where did all the DIRT come from?

  1. George
    February 17, 2011 at 10:58 am

    there is absolutely nothing scientific about this article. it sounds like a first grader wrote it. you are really dumb.

  2. Power Point Paradise
    February 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Well then, here is your chance to enlighten the “dumb”, and explain to us how the organisms & animals didn’t rot before they were slowly buried by “an inch per year” depositing of kilometers of layers, over millions of years, but could still turn into fossils.
    And explain WHY over 270 seperate ethnic groups in this world, on all continents, tell us their identical history, that there was a global flood covering mountains, and a man & his family & animals surviving on a big boat!–A totally different Genesis than uniformitarianism.

  3. Azurah
    February 18, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    First paragraph edited out, because of …

    **Ad hominem abuse (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one’s opponent in order to invalidate his or her argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent’s argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent’s personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent’s arguments or assertions.**

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    Azurah continues:

    About the flood story, since it’s “kinderleicht”, I’ll give you a hint… stories get passed on generation to generation. There was no way to easily pass on stories the way we do now, by printing en masse or the internet, only word of mouth. So the story got passed on culture to culture, but we know perfectly how much stories can change when passed on this way. (And the fact that your region has flooded does not mean the whole world has, but ancient people could’ve come to that conclusion). The finding of fish fossils on mountains could also have lead them to make up this story.

    [PP Editor:] The author is agreeing that the stories were passed on from generation to generation. Naturally! The over 270 cultures and their legends originated from the one original culture with the similar experience, Noah’s culture and his original shocking experience! And thus Hawaiians, Australian Aborigines, Am. Indians, Miao Zu, (see our article on the Miao) etc., have carried over the report for thousands of years, not as “a myth”, but as their original history and genesis. And actually, many of the stories have not changed that much at all. Check our article on the Miao people in South China, who mention Nu-Ah and his flood and boat and name his three sons as Lo-Han, Lo Shen, and Lo-Japhu! Ham, Shem and Jafeth. SEE OUR ARTICLE

    Azurah continues:
    About fossilization… fossils are no mummies, [PPE No one said as much] maybe you should first read about the subject before **more Ad hominem**. They certainly can rot, because a fossil is not a mummy. Read up what a fossil is, please. [puh..leaze!] And they don’t just get covered grain by grain. They get deposited in mud, ice, lakes, sediments… (Fossils are rare and hard to form, it’s not like every single animal that dies gets fossilized. They need to be in the right conditions) Then the bones HAVE to mineralize or some other similar process. Read up “taphonomy”. It gets taught in school.

    [PP Editor:] Exactly our point! With the prevailing theory that 2.45 centimeters (one inch) of sedimentation per year caused the kilometers deep layers under our feet, how can you expect fossils to form under 20 mm sedimentation in a month? Fish rots within 3-5 days!

    You don’t need to wait for people to give you answers. The answers are out there, you just need to read.

    [PP Editor:] I guess this commenter did not get the article. We already have OUR answer! It is catastrophism! Huge! Those kilometers deep layers were laid by a global flood (and most likely interplanetary upheaval of earthly and inter- planetary water. Mars?) We are asking for a plausible cause and effect, chain of events explanation of the other (uniformitarian) theory, because I couldn’t find one on the internet, so far. Still looking. We would like to know “Where did the DIRT come from?” And ENOUGH of it, that could cause fossilisation!

    By the way, if you don’t understand what erosion is, I’m guessing you do not believe in the continental drift either, or how canyons formed, etc etc… sad.

    [PP Editor:] OH, if anyone believes in erosion, it is EROSION®US. The catastrophic kind, that takes place within 40-300 days, that destroys everything in its path, the kind that explains “where the huge global sediments really result from, the kilometer deep layers, and forms Grand Canyons! The most logical and only forensic explanation. 2 1/2 centimeters per year by some unproven and not-reproduced “alluvial sedimentation” just does not cut it!
    And don’t be sad, sir, we DO happen to BELIEVE in continental drift as well. We BELIEVE it, although we can’t prove it, as we are not “Creationists”, we weren’t there when it happened, so it is indeed a belief! But it’s also a theory, because of some physicial evidence in that direction, the “stretchmarks” under the ocean, and there is even documentary evidence for it from the Bible:

    1 Chronicles 1:19 “And unto Eber (the great-grandson of Shem, son of Noah!) were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg; because in his days the earth was divided:”

    Thus far the edited comments (because of Ad Hominem remarks no one is benefited by) from our Man in Puerto Rico, who did NOT yet explain though, and did NOT answer the question, “Where DID all the dirt come from?”

    Anyone else?

  4. Moliere
    February 25, 2011 at 1:34 am

    I found this amazing article by James Nienhaus and he gives some answers: Here is the article: Enjoy!

    Destructive Mainstream Scientific Bias
    (from creationist James I. Nienhuis)

    Mainstream science shrieks with horror at the thought of evidences for the Global Flood Model (GFM) being presented in public forums. They cry foul and say that there is no basis for the GFM, and even more emphatically thereafter, they whine that to allow this alternative (and demonstrably valid) model to be widely presented would undermine the precepts of scientific progress.

    I debated in the New York Times science chat room for about a year, and the only scientific “breakthroughs” predicated upon Darwinian theory that could be cited by my foes in the chat room were the development of advanced traffic-flow solutions and airplane wing designs. Therefore, we are supposed to believe that Darwinian evolution is a reality within which all valid science is complimentarily interwoven? It is obvious (as evidenced by my foes’ two lame citations) that scientific progress has nothing to do with Darwinian theory.

    The Global Flood Model (GFM) nicely rationalizes the observed variation that we see within the various kinds of animals (for genetic studies), and the vast sedimentary layers stacked like pancakes upon the continents with billions of creatures entombed therein nicely corroborate the GFM (for geophysical studies), therefore, the GFM is actually a superior model upon which to frame hypotheses for potential scientific breakthroughs.

    For many obvious reasons, the scientific establishment does not want this model of superior explanatory power to be allowed fair competition in the marketplace of ideas because the Darwinian model does not match reality, whereas, the GFM has much explanatory power, and therefore predictably, Darwinists have been advised to not debate Creationists. Since the GFM is alleged idiocy (by most mainstream scientists), why do they shun opportunities to hypothetically trounce the alleged idiots in debates?

    This situation is a prime example of how scientific misperception, apathy, and status-quo allegiance can hinder intellectual honesty and the free exchange of ideas, much to the detriment of scientific progress. And yet the Darwinists who dominate the schools and the media, and who claim that the Global Flood Model is anti-science, they are ironically the ones who are anti-science, as evidenced by their fear of openly discussing the issues. I hope that you join me in disseminating the superior GFM to the public, and please encourage Darwinists to debate Creationists, then many eyes would be opened.

    Please consult my website http://www.GenesisVeracity.com, and I think you will find Articles #10 and #11 to be of great interest to you, as the information therein establishes that the ancients were accurately measuring and navigating the earth during the Ice Age. For interview, I can be e-mailed or called at (713) 784 6618.

  5. Power Point Paradise
    February 25, 2011 at 1:41 am

    Ah..THAT’s why nobody answers my question for an explanation. Of course! “The debate is over!” They don’t argue with infidels anymore! Ha! How neat. They are superior, above it. Just like Global Warming skeptics are treated. Probably one and the same people. Science is hijacked and held hostage by the religious cult of Evolution. Poor world. God bless Mr. James Nienhuis.

  6. July 6, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Global crust layers, (strata) are made up of various, different and specific particulates. Rock comes in many forms and materials. If you look at core bore drill samples taken from deep crust core drills, you find many layers that are interspersed with sandstone, and other alluvial deposits. It takes little analysis to determine that an ocean covered the lower strata at one time. Then a period followed of non oceanic contact in that area, then other periods and so forth. We currently have core drills that go down 20,000 plus feet, showing strata or Epoch layers that average 14 feet in depth, representing about 7,000 years each. (Though very few are actually that depth or age, some as deep as 160+ feet, and some as few as 2-3 feet.) Many of these strata are uniform in depth and material in various core drills around the world, which means whatever occurred, it was a global process.

    The above data suggests a cataclysmic earth, one that goes through a global catastrophe on a periodic basis, averaging 7,000 years.

    Actually, the geology at present backs the latest global catastrophe as being 7,100 years ago. That has nothing to do with any theory of ‘the flood’, ‘Atlantis’, ‘Aliens’, or any other fringe hypothesis. It is just geological facts.

    For backup, look up ‘Storegga Landslide’, the Bosporus Strait Breach, Galveston Bay Tsunami, Michilla Bay, Chili Tsunami. They all occurred 7,100 years before present.

    We live on a careening globe. The geological record says so. Any other postulate is mythology, or misguided fanatical ‘belief’.

  7. Power Point Paradise
    July 6, 2011 at 1:55 am

    Dear John,

    Thank you. You are the first one who sincerely attempts to explain “where the dirt came from”. I accept, and very much agree with, your belief in Catastrophism, and that “we live in a careening earth” indeed! Therefore you must have departed from, and rejected Uniformitarianism. I enthusiastically applaud that choice.

    I thought though, that your remark “That has nothing to do with any theory of ‘the flood’, ‘Atlantis’, ‘Aliens’, or any other fringe hypothesis”, was off. I’ll explain:

    According to “25 rules of disinformation” you followed some elements of the following rule of disinfo:

    4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent’s argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

    My article never mentioned aliens, atlantis, mythology, as causes for the kilometers high geological strata, nor that they are results of a “misguided fanatical belief.” That’s a “straw-man” you created, that I didn’t put in in my questioning of the evolutionary 1-2 inch alluvial deposits per year. Neither is Flood Geology Theory “a fringe hypothesis!” Of course, it is often called that, by unjust dis-information artists.

    But you must be, and should be, aware that there are oodles of VERY distinguished scientists, historians, as well as other scholars in many other fields of science, who support Flood Geology, based on thorough scientific research, as well as those who teach, defend, and support Intelligent Design! Concerning the latter for example, Anthony Flew, the late very famous very strong, former atheist philosopher-turned-Deist, stated that, “the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries” and that “the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it

    My point is that to dismiss claims like Flood Geology (and Intelligent Design!) as mythology, misguided fanatical belief, is to say the least, following another rule of disinformation, to wit the following:

    rule 5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “kooks”, “right-wing”, “liberal”, “left-wing”, “terrorists”, “conspiracy buffs”, “radicals”, “militia”, “racists”, “religious fanatics”, “sexual deviates”, and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

    Dear John, to have honest debate, we must refrain from too strong ridicule, (I don’t mind irony, and use it myself betimes) and from NAME-calling. It is too cheap, and not scientific.

    If I understand your theory well, you believe then that there have been many catastophies throughout history, and that the Earth has often changed “maps” overflowing the continents with floods that have deposited the many thick layers? Is that a correct interpretation of what you put forward? If not correct me.

    In case it was correct, then we are much closer to each other than to Uniformitarianists. So far not ONE Uniformitarian has showed up here, to give an honest answer to the question, “Where DID all the dirt come from?”

    I believe that the evidence is very strong for a recent global flood, that is not just corroborated by serious scientific research and evidences, but also by the actual human record, as you can verify for yourself in our article Chinese Mythology Clarified by Miao Legend Confirms Noah’s Flood History! Does your theory have any backing by the human record? I’d be very interested.

    I have begun to read your canal site and it seems very interesting.
    Hope to hear from you. May God bless.
    Lu

  8. Roby
    July 4, 2012 at 3:09 am

    thanks

  9. Roby
    July 4, 2012 at 3:31 am

    After reading your article about the layer of dirt and fossil, the big bang theory come in mind. after the earth begin to build its self, there could be million years be for the second round of large rock that’s in orbit coming around again hitting the earth again, it would make another layer of rock and dirt, and this could continue for millions of years. and in between the rock returning some sorts of life could have grown, and when the rocks hit earth it would kill the life on earth and this cycle could still be going on. the orbiting rocks could be so far away that they can’t be seen yet. or they could have just about played themselves out. just thinking Roby 7/3/12

  10. Power Point Paradise
    July 4, 2012 at 1:34 pm

    How about all the historical records (500) that once in history a huge flood covered the earth burying all life forms in mud? Your theory has no historical documentation. Just thinking. :)

  11. Kir Komrik
    December 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    I think most of the posters don’t really understand what you’re asking. The simple answer is that the material for the geologic layers cannot come from the surface itself, since to do so would merely create a state of equilibrium (no mountains just flat ground).
    In order to get these layers the material would necessarily have to come from deep beneath the Earth’s surface as space sources are woefully inadequate to account for it.
    - kk

  12. Power Point Paradise
    December 11, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    Dear KK
    True! It couldn’t have come from space. You got that right. How do you veer to the only other alternative? It MUST have come from underground, because consider the horrible alternative? A WORLDWIDE FLOOD? Or volcanic activity?
    Of course, a Flood would never be considered by Biblio- & Real History-phobes, as that would credit the Bible as genuine history book, and that is anathema for them as captives of the present Zeitgeist, Political Correctness, whatever you like to call it.
    In the Zeitgeist of Ham he called it: “That blasted God-paranoia of my father! Better worship me! I am Hamon-Ra, the Sun god and there was no One before me!”
    And much of the southern hemisphere today still suffers from Ham’s ancestor- and man-worship heresy, instead of crediting the MYSTERY and authority of God!
    Love & Peace
    Lu

    Apart from the religious aspect, that huge, billions of tons, global shell of sediment layers, if it really had come from below, how many volcanoes do you propose were needed to spew all that up. I think, considering the average amount of “spewing” of volcanoes, the size of all present continents together could not accommodate the huge amount of volcanoes needed. But mind you, it couldn’t be volcano deposited lava either, as the sediments are water-deposited sediments and not igneous rock like lava! And so “Where in the holy heavens did the dirt come from!”

  13. JJ
    February 7, 2014 at 6:01 pm

    Excellent article!

    Thanks!

  14. Power Point Paradise
    February 8, 2014 at 2:42 am

    Thanks. Come again!

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